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INVESTIGATION OF
THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY

HEARINGS
Before the President's Commission
on the Assassination
of President Kennedy

Pursuant To Executive Order 11130, an Executive order creating a Commission to ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts relating to the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of the man charged with the assassination and S.J. Res. 137, 88th Congress, a concurrent resolution conferring upon the Commission the power to administer oaths and affirmations, examine witnesses, receive evidence, and issue subpenas

Volume
X

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U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE, WASHINGTON: 1964

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PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION
ON THE
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY

Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman

• Senator Richard B. Russell
• Senator John Sherman Cooper
• Representative Hale Boggs
• Representative Gerald R. Ford
• Mr. Allen W. Dulles
• Mr. John J. McCloy
• J. Lee Rankin, General Counsel
• Assistant Counsel
• Francis W. H. Adams
• Joseph A. Ball
• David W. Belin
• William T. Coleman, Jr.
• Melvin Aron Eisenberg
• Burt W. Griffin
• Leon D. Hubert, Jr.
• Albert E. Jenner, Jr.
• Wesley J. Liebeler
• Norman Redlich
• W. David Slawson
• Arlen Specter
• Samuel A. Stern
• Howard P. Willens[A]
• Staff Members
• Phillip Barson
• Edward A. Conroy
• John Hart Ely
• Alfred Goldberg
• Murray J. Laulicht
• Arthur Marmor
• Richard M. Mosk
• John J. O'Brien
• Stuart Pollak
• Alfredda Scobey
• Charles N. Shaffer, Jr.

Biographical information on the Commissioners and the staff can be found in the Commission's Report.

[A] Mr. Willens also acted as liaison between the Commission and the Department of Justice.

[Preface]

The testimony of the following witnesses is contained in volume X: Everett D. Glover, who became acquainted with Lee Harvey Oswald following his return to Texas in 1962; Carlos Bringuier, Francis L. Martello, Charles Hall Steele, Jr., Charles Hall Steele, Sr., Philip Geraci III, Vance Blalock, Vincent T. Lee, Arnold Samuel Johnson, James J. Tormey, Farrell Dobbs, and John J. Abt, who testified concerning Oswald's political activities and associations; Helen P. Cunningham, R. L. Adams, Donald E. Brooks, Irving Statman, Tommy Bargas, Robert L. Stovall, John G. Graef, Dennis Hyman Ofstein, and Charles Joseph Le Blanc, who testified concerning Oswald's employment history; Adrian Thomas Alba, who was acquainted with Oswald in New Orleans in 1963; Chester Allen Riggs, Jr., Mr. and Mrs. Mahlon F. Tobias, Sr., Mr. and Mrs. Jesse J. Garner, Richard Leroy Hulen, Colin Barnhorst, and Mr. and Mrs. Arthur Carl Johnson, who testified concerning Oswald's various residences; and Clifton M. Shasteen, Leonard Edwin Hutchison, Frank Pizzo, Albert Guy Bogard, Floyd Guy Davis, Virginia Louise Davis, Malcolm Howard Price, Jr., Garland Glenwill Slack, Dr. Homer Wood, Sterling Charles Wood, Theresa Wood, Glenn Emmett Smith, W. W. Semingsen, and Laurance R. Wilcox, who testified concerning contacts they believed they had with Oswald under varying circumstances.

[Contents]

EXHIBITS INTRODUCED

Hearings Before the President's Commission
on the
Assassination of President Kennedy

[TESTIMONY OF EVERETT D. GLOVER]

The testimony of Everett D. Glover was taken at 11 a.m., on March 24, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Jenner. Mr. Glover, would you stand? Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in response to my questions in the taking now of your deposition?

Mr. Glover. I do.

Mr. Jenner. Mr. Glover, you have received, I think, sometime last week a letter from Mr. Rankin, general counsel for the Commission, advising you we desire to take your testimony by deposition.

Mr. Glover. Advising me that you wanted to take my testimony. I don't know whether it was specifically deposition, but yes.

Mr. Jenner. Now the Commission has been established to investigate and report all the circumstances surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy and any participation by Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald and others in that tragic event.

We understand that you had some acquaintance with the Oswalds as well as people in the community who, in turn, had an acquaintance with the Oswald's, and that you also had an acquaintance with George De Mohrenschildt, naming him in particular, although there are others I will probably examine you about. But it is in those general areas that I will proceed.

Now you are at liberty to have counsel present should you so desire, and since you don't appear to have anybody with you, I assume you do not wish any counsel?

Mr. Glover. That's right.

Mr. Jenner. Your name is Everett D. Glover?

Mr. Glover. Right.

Mr. Jenner. Do you reside in Dallas, Tex.?

Mr. Glover. Right.

Mr. Jenner. Where is your present residence?

Mr. Glover. My present residence is 9838 Webbs Chapel Road, Dallas, 20.

Mr. Jenner. How long have you resided there, sir?

Mr. Glover. Since January 1, of this year, 1964.

Mr. Jenner. Where did you reside immediately prior to that?

Mr. Glover. 5723 Southwestern Boulevard. I forget the zone in Dallas.

Mr. Jenner. How long had you resided there?

Mr. Glover. Sometime around April 20, of 1963.

Mr. Jenner. I will have to keep going back. Where did you live prior to that?

Mr. Glover. I lived at 4449 Potomac in Dallas also. It is in University Park.

Mr. Jenner. For what span of time?

Mr. Glover. Span of time there, I don't have the figures right in my mind, but approximately 2 years there.

Mr. Jenner. That would take you back to sometime in 1961?

Mr. Glover. Yes. We'd have to check these to be sure, this is approximately.

Mr. Jenner. That is sufficient. I will ask you this general question. Over how long have you resided in Dallas or the Dallas area?

Mr. Glover. Since 1955. June 2, 1955, I took a position with Socony Mobil Oil Co. and came here to work on that day. I have lived here since that time.

Mr. Jenner. Are you married?

Mr. Glover. I am married; yes.

Mr. Jenner. Do you have a family?

Mr. Glover. Well, I am married for the second time at the present time. My former wife and a son by my former marriage are living in Pennsylvania.

Mr. Jenner. Of what country are you a native?

Mr. Glover. United States.

Mr. Jenner. You were born in the United States?

Mr. Glover. Oh, yes.

Mr. Jenner. How old are you?

Mr. Glover. 47 years old.

Mr. Jenner. Where were you born in the United States?

Mr. Glover. I was born in Worcester, Mass. I resided in Millbury, Mass., but I was actually born in the city of Worcester.

Mr. Jenner. Tell me about your education, please. Elementary school and high school and if you went beyond high school.

Mr. Glover. Yes; I went to college at North Clark University in Worcester, Mass., and I later went to the University of Wisconsin. I completed a master's degree there and a great deal of work on a doctor's degree.

Mr. Jenner. So you have a bachelor of arts degree?

Mr. Glover. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. And master's degree and you have completed a good deal of work on a Ph. D.?

Mr. Glover. Right.

Mr. Jenner. You were first married when?

Mr. Glover. 1940.

Mr. Jenner. Where were you residing then?

Mr. Glover. At that time I was residing in Worcester, Mass.

Mr. Jenner. What was your wife's maiden name?

Mr. Glover. The name was Mary Elizabeth Butler.

Mr. Jenner. She was a resident of Worcester, was she?

Mr. Glover. She was a resident of Worcester.

Mr. Jenner. And was a native-born American?

Mr. Glover. Yes; she was.

Mr. Jenner. How many children do you have by that marriage?

Mr. Glover. I have one.

Mr. Jenner. He is with his mother, is he?

Mr. Glover. He is with his mother now in Pennsylvania; yes.

Mr. Jenner. That marriage was terminated in divorce when?

Mr. Glover. In Texas last year, 1963, in June, I believe it was, the 29th.

Mr. Jenner. All right, had you been separated from your wife prior to that time?

Mr. Glover. Yes; I had been separated.

Mr. Jenner. When did the separation occur?

Mr. Glover. The separation occurred on approximately September 1 of 1962.

Mr. Jenner. Where were you residing then?

Mr. Glover. I was residing at 4449 Potomac.

Mr. Jenner. Did your wife leave this vicinity then?

Mr. Glover. Yes; she left this vicinity then.

Mr. Jenner. And returned to where or went to where?

Mr. Glover. She didn't return. The circumstances of her leaving were that my son is very interested avocationally in ice skating, and he had earned enough money selling the Times Herald, the local newspaper, to take him for 1 summer's ice skating, and it so happened that he ended up in Hershey, Pa., which has a teacher or pro who is very good, and the circumstances just happened that way.

Mr. Jenner. Indoor arena rink?

Mr. Glover. Yes; he stayed there for the summer and he wanted to stay there beyond that time very badly. He wanted to continue his ice skating under some such situation as he had there, and my wife and I had not gotten along too well, and it seemed like a natural time to make a separation, so she left and went to Pennsylvania during this time at approximately the end of the summer and stayed there, and I filed for a divorce.

Again I am not sure of the actual date, but approximately December 1 of that year, 1962. And the divorce was granted in the summer in 1963, approximately June 29, of 1963.

Mr. Jenner. And you remarried when?

Mr. Glover. I remarried August the 26th of this same year, 1963.

Mr. Jenner. And remained in the same quarters, did you?

Mr. Glover. No; I moved about April 20 to 5723 Southwestern Boulevard after having sold the house at 4449 Potomac, which I owned, and made the divorce settlement.

Then I moved to 5723 Southwestern Boulevard where I rented a house with two colleagues of mine where I worked, who were all unattached, since I had to move from 4449 Potomac. One moved in on December 1, 1962, and another one on January 1, 1963.

Mr. Jenner. Now when you and your wife separated, that is when she went to Pennsylvania, Hershey, Pa., with her son for this period, did anyone join you in your quarters as roommates or persons living with you?

Mr. Glover. Well, these are the people I just referred to. One man, Richard L. Pierce, who works with me in the same section of my laboratory, joined me December 1, of 1962, and the second man, Volkmar Schmidt, who came from Germany and worked with the company as a geologist, came to live with me approximately January 1.

It was an arrangement we tried out to see if there would be mutual satisfaction.

Mr. Jenner. Do you have a German derivation?

Mr. Glover. I do not.

Mr. Jenner. What is yours?

Mr. Glover. My background on that respect, my derivation would be English on both sides. I know on the Glover side it is English and goes back down to the 1700, but I don't know the other side very well.

Mr. Jenner. All right. What is your occupation, profession, business or avocation?

Mr. Glover. Well, occupation is as a chemist working with the geology group in the exploration section of Socony Mobil Oil Co., Field Research Laboratory here in Dallas.

Mr. Jenner. Your master's degree was in what?

Mr. Glover. It was in soil science.

Mr. Jenner. Involved chemistry?

Mr. Glover. Involved chemistry of fine grain material such as soil, sediments, and so forth.

This is the reason that I am working where I am, because of the kind of work I do, in the geology section. It is not soil per se, but using techniques in dealing with problems similar to soil problems.

Mr. Jenner. And in turn, related to the discovery or production or recovery of oil?

Mr. Glover. It is related particularly to the exploration for oil. That is the study of the mechanical constituents of rocks in which the oil is found.

I would say involving research work in order to find some more easily recognized signs of oil. That is the long term objective.

Mr. Jenner. I would say this to you, sir. It is common that witnesses can, especially in this type of examination where the witness sits across the desk from a questioner, to drop his voice. So to the extent that you can recall it, you won't do it all the time, keep your voice up.

Mr. Glover. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. Are you acquainted with a Mr. George De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Glover. Yes; I am.

Mr. Jenner. When and under what circumstances did you first become acquainted with Mr. George De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Glover. Again this is connected with my ice skating activities which I didn't mention. I mentioned my son's.

One of my avocations is ice skating. I do not know the exact time, but sometime in the period, I would say 1956 to 1959, when I have been ice skating, I met Mrs. De Mohrenschildt on the ice rink skating by herself. She skated a considerable time, maybe, probably, part of a year, and then later she brought Mr. De Mohrenschildt there, and that is the first acquaintance I had with them. This was a casual acquaintance.

Mr. Jenner. Is this the present Mrs. De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Glover. This is the present Mrs. De Mohrenschildt.

Mr. Jenner. Was she then married to Mr. De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Glover. I have no way of knowing. I wouldn't have thought of this particularly except in conversation with the FBI. By their reaction, what he said, apparently there was some question about this, but I wouldn't have known that myself. I assumed she was.

Mr. Jenner. Well, in order that we are certain we have the same lady in mind, did you learn what her first name was?

Mr. Glover. Yes. The name she wanted to be called was "Jon," the French J-e-a-n-n-e.

I didn't see it written down, but she insisted on her being called "Jon," the French.

Mr. Jenner. By American, it is Jeanne?

Mr. Glover. Jeanne, right.

Mr. Jenner. When you talk about ice skating, you mean figure skating?

Mr. Glover. Figure skating; right.

Mr. Jenner. This relationship, at least for a time, was relatively casual?

Mr. Glover. It was very casual. In fact, they did not seem very much interested in other people.

Mr. Jenner. Did that acquaintance ripen eventually into a friendship, or at least a closer relationship than that you have indicated?

Mr. Glover. Well, there are two phases of my acquaintance with them. The first phase ended when they didn't come to the skating rink any more, and I cannot recall when this was. But if it were necessary to find out, I could possibly find out more in detail, because they joined the Dallas Figure Skating Club which I belonged to, and it was after I had belonged to that organization a year or so that they left.

Mr. Jenner. Would you give me for the moment your best recollection as to when the first period of time to which you have reference ended?

Mr. Glover. Ended?

Mr. Jenner. That is, the casual acquaintance.

Mr. Glover. I really honestly don't know when that was.

Mr. Jenner. Maybe we can get at it this way. What is your present recollection as to the intervening span in which you had either little or no contact with the De Mohrenschildts? How long did that run?

Mr. Glover. Well, I know when I met them—I think I know when I met them again. This was in connection with playing tennis. And that must have been in the spring, I believe, of 1962, sometime in that period.

Mr. Jenner. You and your former wife were still living together at that time?

Mr. Glover. Yes, that's right; my former wife was still in Dallas.

Mr. Jenner. Would you say that the intervening period when you had a little or no contact with the De Mohrenschildts covered as much as a couple of years?

Mr. Glover. I would say that is what I think, but I could check this point if necessary.

Mr. Jenner. We will let you know as to whether we want you to do that.

That acquaintance was then renewed under what circumstances?

Mr. Glover. I went to a party at a friend's house one night.

Mr. Jenner. Who is the friend?

Mr. Glover. The man's name is Lauriston C. Marshall.

Mr. Jenner. That is a new name to me.

Mr. Glover. Well, he is called Larry, but his name, I am quite sure, was——

Mr. Jenner. L-a-u-r-i-s-t-o-n C. M-a-r-s-h-a-l-l?

Mr. Glover. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. All right.

Mr. Glover. He lived in Garland here.

Mr. Jenner. Garland, Tex.?

Mr. Glover. Right. This is not where I met the De Mohrenschildts, but that is the connection. I was at his house and I met Sam Ballen. And something was said about playing tennis, and it turns out that he likes to play tennis and I also like to play tennis. I hadn't played very much since I had been in Dallas, but I always wanted to play more than I had a chance to, and he said, "How about tomorrow morning?" and I agreed, okay.

So when I went to play tennis the next morning, it turned out that the other two people involved in this match of four people, doubles, was the De Mohrenschildts.

Mr. Jenner. You played doubles in tennis with him the next morning, Sunday morning?

Mr. Glover. This sounds right. I believe it was a Saturday night party, and I was playing Sunday morning. I believe that is what it was.

Mr. Jenner. And your friendship with the De Mohrenschildts blossomed?

Mr. Glover. Well, we played tennis an awful lot more. That was the basis.

Mr. Jenner. You say the double, the lady who played tennis with you on that initial occasion, was the same lady who had accompanied Mr. De Mohrenschildt earlier on the ice rink?

Mr. Glover. That's correct.

Mr. Jenner. Will you tell me, please, and I want you to tell me in your own words. I will try not to interrupt you, or at least I will keep it to a minimum, what you learned about George De Mohrenschildt first?

Mr. Glover. You mean what I learned about him from my complete acquaintance with him?

Mr. Jenner. Yes.

Mr. Glover. What he was like and so forth?

Mr. Jenner. What he was like, what you learned from him, if you can indicate information you received directly from him as to his travels, if any, as to his work, as to any associations he had.

Mr. Glover. Well, it is pretty hard to produce some order out of it, because I never got a complete picture. But he had apparently, and I believe this to be true, had come back from a trip to South America. I mean to Mexico where he had walked from the north edge of Mexico down to Central America, to Panama.

Mr. Jenner. Your information in this respect was obtained directly from him?

Mr. Glover. Directly from him and also by films which he had showing his trip, and also the fact that he apparently corresponded with Sam Ballen during the time that he had been down there, and that was mentioned, the fact that he had corresponded.

Mr. Jenner. Who mentioned it, Ballen or De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Glover. I couldn't be sure about that, sir, but from one or the other people, I am sure I got the distinct impression that they corresponded.

He sent letters to Sam Ballen during the time he was there, so I do believe, and I have no reason not to believe, that he made such a trip, seeing the film.

Mr. Jenner. You saw the film?

Mr. Glover. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. You also talked to Mr. De Mohrenschildt, or he with you?

Mr. Glover. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. You had conversations with him about his trip to Mexico, and he told you about it?

Mr. Glover. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. Did he exhibit the film?

Mr. Glover. He exhibited the film.

Mr. Jenner. Was Mrs. De Mohrenschildt the lady called Jeanne and who preferred to be called "Jon" (Jeanne)?

Mr. Glover. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. Was she present when the film was shown?

Mr. Glover. She was present.

Mr. Jenner. And you also had conversation with her?

Mr. Glover. Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Jenner. Did she confirm, as well as Mr. De Mohrenschildt, their trip, walking trip into Mexico?

Mr. Glover. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. Was anything said about the De Mohrenschildts, either of them having any—having met any officials with the Soviet Union?

Mr. Glover. During that trip?

Mr. Jenner. Yes.

Mr. Glover. No, sir; not that I remember.

Mr. Jenner. Not at all?

Mr. Glover. Nothing was said.

Mr. Jenner. You have no impression on that score, then?

Mr. Glover. I cannot remember any such thing was said.

Mr. Jenner. I take it then, it is your impression that this was a walking pleasure trip, a vacation, that sort of thing in which he and Mrs. De Mohrenschildt traveled from the border—that would be the north border of Mexico down as far as Panama?

Mr. Glover. Yes, but I would amend your statement a little bit. You said pleasure trip. It was in a sense, the way I understood the reason for this was, that De Mohrenschildt had a son and daughter by his, according to him, I believe, last marriage. The son had died of cystic fibrosis, and I had the impression that he was very much attached to his son, and this was one of the reasons that he sort of threw up everything. I had been given to believe he was in the oil consulting business.

Mr. Jenner. You were given to believe that De Mohrenschildt was in the oil consulting business?

Mr. Glover. Previous to that and after that time, too, and that he had thrown everything up and done this. He said that he and someone else started to make this trip at a much earlier time. I am not sure what time it was, but it was a long time. Seems to me he said they tried to drive a Model "T" Ford and hadn't been successful.

Mr. Jenner. That would be quite a long time ago?

Mr. Glover. Yes. That might be older than De Mohrenschildt is. I don't know when he came here, really, of course.

Mr. Jenner. All right.

Mr. Glover. But anyway, maybe it is a Model "A" Ford. I really am not sure about that point. It doesn't sound right, a Model "T" Ford.

Mr. Jenner. A Model "T," say that is my error, and the Model "A"——

Mr. Glover. Model "A" came in 1927 and 1928.

Mr. Jenner. 1927, 1928, and 1929. I was about a junior in college then.

Mr. Glover. Yes. I am a little bit younger than that. I was 10 years old in 1927, but I distinctly remember the Model "T's." I am not sure, but the important thing as far as my recollection was, he said he wanted to take this trip and started to take it with another fellow and he didn't get very far, but then he this time did take the trip and the feeling I had was the motivation was—he had been completely broken up by his son dying and he wanted to do this a long time ago, he went ahead and did it.

And his wife wanted to do it with him and they did it.

Mr. Jenner. So the impression you obtained from the conversation you heard overall was that the trip was not motivated by any objective or plan to have any contact with any persons connected with the Soviet Union, or representing the Soviet Union?

Mr. Glover. No; I did not get any such impression.

One other thing, I did get the impression, he mentioned specifically that he had some business along the way, which was looking at old mining areas.

Now I got the impression, although it was a hazy one, that he was actually being paid by some private concern to look at old mining areas as he passed through there.

Mr. Jenner. All right. Did you have any impression of any other trips that Mr. De Mohrenschildt made outside of this country?

Mr. Glover. Yes. He told me that after the war he was on a, I don't know whether he was connected—somehow he said with a State Department venture which he was doing something with regard to advising in oil matters in Yugoslavia.

Mr. Jenner. And that he had gone to Yugoslavia?

Mr. Glover. He had gone to Yugoslavia, he told me that. He described the living there when he was there, drinking lots of wine in Yugoslavia with women and so forth, and it wasn't very descriptive, but from what he said, I got a very distinct impression he had been there, yes.

Mr. Jenner. Did you get an impression that he was married at that time?

Mr. Glover. I did. In fact, the impression I have, and I am not sure exactly where it all comes from, when I first met Mrs. De Mohrenschildt, she was alone, and her husband was never with her, and she was not very cordial at all.

You saw someone skating around and you'd just say a word and she was not particularly cordial.

And even later, I am not sure exactly the amount of time, but maybe a season of skating, he appeared.

And I assumed afterwards, I am not sure what basis I had, that this was the time that he was away in Yugoslavia, and he came back. And I think they referred to that afterwards, as if that were the case.

Mr. Jenner. In this early period was anything else said to you affirmatively that Jeanne or "Jon" De Mohrenschildt was his wife at that time?

Mr. Glover. When I come to think of it, I don't know of any specific instance where there was a big point made of them being married, but I assumed, since they were living together, and I just assumed that.

Mr. Jenner. How do you know they were living together?

Mr. Glover. At what time?

Mr. Jenner. The earlier period.

Mr. Glover. The earlier period, no. The later period I didn't live too far away from them. I would go to their house and have a glass of beer after the tennis match, and later I went to their house quite often.

Mr. Jenner. The tennis match was the second period?

Mr. Glover. The first period I don't have any proof whatsoever except it seemed to me they were giving the same name.

Mr. Jenner. They were?

Mr. Glover. I believe so. Now that could be checked with the Dallas Figure Skating Club where they were members. I assumed they were husband and wife.

Mr. Jenner. What did you learn as to George De Mohrenschildt's past in connection with whether he had been married more than once?

Mr. Glover. He said he had been married four times, including this.

Mr. Jenner. Including the marriage to Jeanne or Jon?

Mr. Glover. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. So he had had three marriages prior to this time?

Mr. Glover. That is what he said. He used to talk about that quite often, make remarks to the fact that he had been married four times.

Mr. Jenner. You have mentioned a son who died. Did he say anything about having any other children?

Mr. Glover. A daughter.

Mr. Jenner. A daughter?

Mr. Glover. Same wife.

Mr. Jenner. Was anything said about whether she was alive or dead?

Mr. Glover. Yes; he talked quite a bit about her.

Mr. Jenner. As being alive or dead?

Mr. Glover. As being alive.

Mr. Jenner. Was there an occasion eventually in which there was a discussion in which he indicated that she had been—she had become deceased?

Mr. Glover. No. He never indicated anything to me that she had become deceased. He talked quite a bit about her and was still talking about custody of the daughter who was remaining with the mother, who was trying to prevent any possible change in custody. That was right up to the last I knew him.

Mr. Jenner. Do you recall whether at any time you stated to the FBI that he had two children and they had both died?

Mr. Glover. I stated that he had two children?

Mr. Jenner. Yes.

Mr. Glover. And they had both died?

Mr. Jenner. Did die, yes.

Mr. Glover. I did not state such.

Mr. Jenner. Had two children by the marriage to Wynne Sharples.

Mr. Glover. The last name Sharples is correct, and I remember the nickname "Deedee" of the woman who he said he was married to by whom he had two children.

I did not say to the FBI that he had two children who died. I have said he had two children one of which died who apparently had cystic fibrosis.

Mr. Jenner. All right, did he mention any other relative of his?

Mr. Glover. I was asked this question by the FBI, and I believe he mentioned—I know he mentioned a brother—a brother who taught school, and I believe it is Dartmouth, N.H., and I think he taught history.

Anyhow, he taught some subject or related subject on liberal arts, but I don't know.

Mr. Jenner. He did mention Dartmouth?

Mr. Glover. I couldn't be sure.

Mr. Jenner. Could have—could he have mentioned Princeton instead of Dartmouth?

Mr. Glover. I don't think so, because I remember it being in that area up in the upper New England States, somewhere.

Mr. Jenner. Was there any discussion of Jeanne or "Jon's" background?

Mr. Glover. Yes. The impression I got of her background was that she was of White Russian stock and came through China where she was married, and then came to this country. That is the impression I got.

Mr. Jenner. That she had come from Russia and gone to China?

Mr. Glover. I don't know whether anyone said White Russia, but whether they said that or not, I got the impression that she had come originally from Russia.

Mr. Jenner. Did you learn anything about—perhaps I'd better so pursue Mrs. De Mohrenschildt. She had come through China?

Mr. Glover. She lived in China and was brought up there as a young girl, married, presumably, a Chinese man, and then came to this country. That is the story I got, and apparently from what she said, he did not adjust.

Mr. Jenner. She came here with her husband?

Mr. Glover. That is the impression I got.

Mr. Jenner. You had the impression that he was a Chinese?

Mr. Glover. I had that impression.

Mr. Jenner. After they arrived here, the husband did not adjust well?

Mr. Glover. Right, and it led to their breakup.

Mr. Jenner. And they were then divorced?

Mr. Glover. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. Or at least broke up, as far as you know?